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Every once in a while I read posts/accounts/experiences of people with ADHD online and think "hey, that all sounds very familiar;" to the point where I have looked up ADHD symptoms multiple times only to realize that I almost certainly don't have it, there's just a huge overlap between symptoms of ADHD, depression, and anxiety. "Shame," my stupid brain thought, "because if I did have it, I could get magic drugs to make my brain work better." (I know it doesn't work like that.) Only to remember that I do take magic drugs to make my brain work better, they're called antidepressants. …but I would like better magic drugs, that make all my brain problems go away. Hmpf. (I did talk to my psychiatrist not too long ago and my drug dose is fine/good enough that I really don't want to experiment rn.) Instead I get advice like "get enough sleep, liquids, iron, vitamins, and exercise," aka the slow way. I'm working on it, but magic would be so much more convenient.

So that got me thinking on the topic of healing spells for mental illnesses in fantasy settings. D&D has spells like "Heal" and "Greater Restoration" that removes "eliminates fatigue and exhaustion, and removes all forms of insanity, confusion, and similar mental effects." I'm pretty sure those were meant to be insanity and confusion that were created by magical effects in the first place, but would they also work on other forms? What about trauma etc.? (I bet there are quite a few powerful and/or rich people and workaholics who would try to abuse Greater Restoration to sleep less and work more, but maybe long-term that might have negative effects.) And if you only have magical spells against physical illnesses, would mental illnesses be taken more seriously or be even more stigmatized? Hm.
(If anyone knows of a canon that covers that topic I'd be interested in recs.)

Date: 2021-10-28 02:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] myrdschaem
Mostly it's more of a metaphor, but I would recommend The Owl House! It's created by some of the people who did Gravity Falls, in fact Dana Terrace is Alex Hirsch's SO, and fills this niche pretty well. I swear I am going to make a rec post about it. Anyway, one of the leads, Eda the Owl Lady, is cursed to turn into an owl beast and she mostly manages with daily elixirs. Some episodes revolve on her having to get a refill late, effectivity of the elixir going down or her mother having searched for a cure with very... not-serious people. The curse doesn't go away, but elixirs make it manageable.

There is more to recommend the whole series and I enjoy it overall.

Re: ADHD, I admit I am no expert, but these things can be co-morbid. Especially symptoms of ADHD for women are different than the "classic" symptoms. One profound thing is that the brain is differently wired and doesn't react the same way to the amphetamine class. One other chemical falling into this is caffeine, it calms ADHD brains down. https://www.additudemag.com/adhd-caffeine-treatment/ If you are unsure about whether it's just similar symptoms or not, that is a pretty good test, how does caffeine affect you?
Edited Date: 2021-10-28 03:06 pm (UTC)

Date: 2021-10-29 11:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] myrdschaem
I can't judge, I haven't given coffee a try yet because I also was conditioned to worry about substance abuse as a kid and am now a tea drinker. This did mean I had to undue a lot of biases to get on anti-depressants and stay on them, actually...

Date: 2021-10-28 08:47 pm (UTC)
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Nachdem das Thema nicht in mein Fanfic-Schema passt, kann ich nur vermuten, dass es im Harry Potter Fandom eventuell Stories dazu gibt. Ich habe zumindest ein paar Geschichten gelesen, die sich um Potion-Missbrauch bzw. generell um magical healing theory gedreht haben. Aber das waren Sachen, die nicht düster sind und die Happy End hatten, der Fokus war auch eher auf Trauma (naheliegend beim Kanon), nicht auf psychischen Krankheiten im Sinne von z.B. chemischen Ursachen. Eventuell gibt es entsprechende tags bei AO3?

Date: 2021-11-07 08:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nonesensed
The overlap between ADHD symptoms and other conditions/situations that affect concentration are indeed legion. And while I totally get you don't think ADHD meds are magic, I think a lot of media kinda portrays specifically ADHD meds as if they are, y'know? I mean, antidepressants have gotten a little bit of that, but they're usually also portrayed with stigmatizing side-effects, like "you're not truly yourself on antidepressants" and such bullshit, while ADHD meds are shown (in media) as this magical fix-it drug that'll make you Brain Good. That really sets unreasonable expectations for everyone :/ From personal experience, I know a lot of people with ADHD (among them my sister) who are super helped by their meds, but I've also noticed that this general attitude from society makes people expect people with ADHD to _no longer have ADHD_ just because they have meds to help them. Frustrating.

The worldbuilding implications of healing magic like in D&D, Harry Potter & similar media is fascinating, because you can so tell the original developers didn't think things through when they came up with them. Like you said, what are the social consequences of these magics? How are illnesses and trauma, physical and mental, viewed by people when you literally can magic the problem away? Hell, in D&D you can magic away _death_! And are there illnesses that have developed as a consequences of these magics, kinda like bacteria resistant to antibiotics? Every time I homebrew a D&D setting, the topic of how magic affects how people deal with health (and hard labor, and resources, etc) is the one I usually snag on the longest XD

Sadly don't know any canon that explores the "magical cures" topic in any deeper sense, but if I stumble upon any I'll definitely share!

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